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Hi Everybody. Welcome along to another episode of the Dispatchers.
[00:00:24] Speaker A: It's great to be back with you again. Before I talk about Alexander Salzen Neetson and his profoundly important live not by.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: Lies essay, let me just get a.
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[00:01:47] Speaker B: Episode, if you really enjoyed this one right, today's topic of conversation, live not by lies, a vitally important topic, I.
[00:01:56] Speaker C: Believe, in the current age that we are living in.
[00:01:59] Speaker B: Before even COVId erupted, I was talking with groups and in public settings about live not by lies.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: You might have read the, I was.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: Going to say the now famous but.
[00:02:11] Speaker C: I guess sort of widely known book.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: By Rod Dreyer called Live not by.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: Lies, which took its name from Alexander Salza Nietzsen's essay, a very important, and, I think, worthwhile read. If you haven't read. It's definitely worth reading.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: So this is an issue that has been brewing in the west for a while now.
[00:02:28] Speaker C: What Rod Dreyer would refer to as.
[00:02:30] Speaker A: Sort of a soft totalitarianism that we're sort of living under now.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: The hard totalitarianism is the hard totalitarianism.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: Of Soviet communism, which is what Alexander.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: Salts and eatsin lived under, where people.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: Were literally arrested, imprisoned, and executed for.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Refusing to tow the official ideological line. We have a different type of totalitarianism now where it's more of a soft totalitarianism. People are punished in other ways, often very draconian ways and very harmful ways, but not at the sort of extremes.
[00:03:02] Speaker A: Of the hard totalitarianism. So a little bit about Alexander Salzanitsen. For those who don't know him at.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: All, he was one of the most.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: Famous Russian Soviet dissidents.
[00:03:12] Speaker B: He grew up in a Russian Orthodox Christian family home. So I guess you'd say his youth, he was part of the Christian faith.
[00:03:21] Speaker C: But then in his late, I guess, older teen years, he embraces atheism and.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: The Marxist socialist sort of ideology that is the regime.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: And he becomes a captain in the Red army in World War II. And then he makes a fatal, fatal mistake.
[00:03:40] Speaker C: He dares to criticize Stalin in a letter.
[00:03:44] Speaker A: So he writes a letter to someone.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: And he is critical of Stalin.
[00:03:50] Speaker C: We obviously find that shocking today, but that was enough.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: That was all it took.
[00:03:54] Speaker C: And for daring to say something critical.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: About Stalin, he was sentenced to eight.
[00:03:59] Speaker C: Years in the gulags, the Russian gulags, and followed by internal exile.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: So pretty extreme and serious stuff.
[00:04:07] Speaker C: And that experience was the one that really, it's the shock and awe moment.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: That wakes him up to the true.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: Reality of the Marxist socialist regime that.
[00:04:17] Speaker B: He'S living under and exactly how evil this thing really is.
[00:04:21] Speaker C: Sort of the blinders come off at.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: That point, and this is the thing that sparks his return back to his Christian faith.
[00:04:28] Speaker A: And he's known as a devout orthodox Christian philosopher.
[00:04:33] Speaker C: He starts writing about Marxist socialist repressions as a result of that.
[00:04:40] Speaker A: He's a famous historian in philosopher.
[00:04:42] Speaker C: His insights are often very deep and very important.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: He sort of slowly, over a period.
[00:04:48] Speaker C: Of years, is more and more infuriating.
[00:04:54] Speaker B: The Marxist socialist regime that rules in Soviet Russia.
And then finally he releases or publishes the Gulag Archipelago in 1973.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: So the Gulag Archipelago is this book.
[00:05:09] Speaker C: Which documents the true reality of what.
[00:05:12] Speaker A: This Marxist socialist system has been doing.
[00:05:15] Speaker B: To people and the atrocities and the.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: Grave human rights abuses of the Gulag imprisonment system.
[00:05:23] Speaker C: And that was sort of the final straw, really. There's sort of a couple of other books around that time, but that's the.
[00:05:28] Speaker B: Final straw that breaks the back for him. And what happens is that the regime.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: Now decides this guy's got to go. Then in February 1974, so the start of 1974, he writes this short essay, which we're going to look at today.
[00:05:46] Speaker C: Called Live not by lives.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: And that essay, that's the Final moment.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: Basically the same day as he finishes.
[00:05:54] Speaker C: That, the secret police break into his.
[00:05:57] Speaker B: Apartment, and the very next day, he.
[00:05:59] Speaker C: Is exiled to the West.
[00:06:02] Speaker A: Now, he is able to eventually return.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: Initially, he's exiled into the free German territories, and then he moves to America.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: With his family, but he manages to.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: Return to Russia after the fall of communism, and he dies in 2008.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: So he spends out the remainder of.
[00:06:24] Speaker C: His days back in his homeland.
[00:06:26] Speaker A: He is also awarded the Nobel Peace.
[00:06:29] Speaker B: Prize, or the Nobel Prize. I'm not sure what's the correct term. Is it Nobel Peace Prize or the Nobel Prize?
[00:06:35] Speaker A: We'll call it the Nobel Prize.
[00:06:36] Speaker B: And particularly for his writings, the force of his moral voice is just so important. He really is, as I said, if.
[00:06:44] Speaker A: Not the famous, one of the most.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: Famous of the Russian dissidents.
[00:06:48] Speaker C: And he speaks with such clarity and.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: Such truthfulness into this issue from this.
[00:06:52] Speaker C: Judeo Christian natural law ethic.
[00:06:55] Speaker B: It's just so beautiful.
[00:06:56] Speaker A: What I want to do today is.
[00:06:57] Speaker C: I actually want to read to you that essay because I think it's just so profoundly important, and it is worth.
[00:07:03] Speaker B: Basking in and soaking in because it.
[00:07:05] Speaker A: Just offers so many prescient and important insights for us still today.
[00:07:10] Speaker B: Before I do that, though, let me.
[00:07:11] Speaker C: Just give you this little quote from.
[00:07:14] Speaker B: A couple of guys called Edward E. Erickson Jr. And Daniel J. Mahoney from.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: Something called the Saltsa Nietson Reader.
[00:07:21] Speaker C: And this is what they said about.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Live not by lies.
[00:07:24] Speaker C: On the day Salza Nietson was arrested, February 12, 1974, he released the text of Live not by Lies. The next day, he was exiled to the west, where he received a hero's welcome.
[00:07:36] Speaker B: This moment marks the peak of his fame.
[00:07:39] Speaker C: Salzer Nietsen equates lies with ideology, the illusion that human nature and society can.
[00:07:46] Speaker B: Be reshaped to predetermined specifications. Let me read that again. Solzhenitsen equates lies with ideology, the illusion.
[00:07:55] Speaker C: That human nature and society can be.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: Reshaped to predetermined specifications. And his last word before leaving his homeland urges Soviet citizens as individuals to.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: Refrain from cooperating with the regime's lies.
[00:08:12] Speaker B: Even the most timid, can take this least demanding step towards spiritual independence. If many march together on this path.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: Of passive resistance, the whole inhuman system will totter and collapse.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: So with that in mind, let me.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: Now read you the essay.
[00:08:31] Speaker B: Live not by lies, and I will.
[00:08:33] Speaker C: Do my best to give this justice.
[00:08:36] Speaker A: And I just encourage you to bask.
[00:08:40] Speaker B: In the depth and the profoundity, really, of Salza Nietson's insights and why they are so important for us today, and all of the important truths that we can gleam from them and put into place in our own lives in this present moment.
[00:08:56] Speaker C: Live not by Lies An Essay by.
[00:08:58] Speaker B: Alexander Solzenitsen There was a time when.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: We dared not rustle a whisper.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: But now we write and read somerstat.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: I should say here, by the way.
[00:09:08] Speaker C: Somerstat is like clandestine contraband literature and.
[00:09:14] Speaker A: Writings that were sort of passed around under the Marxist socialist regime, and people.
[00:09:20] Speaker B: Would sort of quietly and secretly read.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: And sort of talk about and discuss.
[00:09:24] Speaker C: But now we write and read Somerstart and, congregating in the smoking rooms of research institutes, heartily complain to each other.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: Of all they are muddling up, of all they are dragging us into.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: There's that unnecessary bravado around our ventures.
[00:09:42] Speaker C: Into space against the backdrop of ruin.
[00:09:45] Speaker A: And poverty at home and the buttressing of distant, savage regimes and the kindling.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: Of civil wars and the ill thought.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: Out cultivation of Malcidong, at our expense to boot.
[00:09:58] Speaker C: In the end, we'll be the ones sent out against him, and we'll have to go.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: What other option will there be?
[00:10:05] Speaker C: And they put whomever they want on trial and brand the healthy as mentally ill. And it is always they.
[00:10:13] Speaker A: While we are helpless, we are approaching the brink already. A universal spiritual demise is upon us.
[00:10:23] Speaker B: A physical one is about to flare up and engulf us and our children.
[00:10:27] Speaker C: While we continue to smile sheepishly and babble. But what can we do to stop it? We haven't the strength.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: We have so hopelessly ceded our humanity that for the modest handouts of today.
[00:10:42] Speaker C: We are ready to surrender up all.
[00:10:44] Speaker B: Principles, our soul, all the labors of.
[00:10:47] Speaker C: Our ancestors, all the prospects of our descendants, anything to avoid disrupting our meager existence.
[00:10:54] Speaker B: We have lost our strength, our pride, our passion.
[00:10:57] Speaker A: We do not even fear a common nuclear death.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: Do not fear a Third World War. Perhaps we'll hide away in some crevice, but fear only to take a civic stance.
[00:11:09] Speaker C: We hope only not to stray from the herd, not to set out on.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: Our own and risk suddenly having to.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: Make do without the white bread, the.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Hot water, heater, a Moscow residency permit. We have internalized well the lessons drummed.
[00:11:25] Speaker A: Into us by the state.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: We are forever content and comfortable with its premise. We cannot escape the environment, the social conditions they shape us. Being determines consciousness.
[00:11:38] Speaker C: What have we to do with this? We can do nothing, but we can do everything.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: Even if we comfort and lie to.
[00:11:48] Speaker A: Ourselves that this is not so.
[00:11:50] Speaker C: It is not they who are guilty of everything, but we ourselves.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: Only we.
Some will counter, but really, there is nothing to be done. Our mouths are gagged. No one listens to us.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: No one asks us, how can we make them listen to us?
[00:12:08] Speaker C: To make them reconsider is impossible. The natural thing would be simply not to reelect them.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: But there are no reelections in our country. In the west, they have strikes, protest marches.
[00:12:22] Speaker C: But we are too cowed, too scared.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: How does one just give up one's.
[00:12:28] Speaker C: Job, just go out onto the street?
[00:12:31] Speaker B: All the other fateful means resorted to.
[00:12:34] Speaker C: Over the last century of Russia's bitter.
[00:12:36] Speaker B: History are even less fitting for us today. True.
[00:12:39] Speaker C: Let's not fall back on them today. When all the axes have hewn, what.
[00:12:44] Speaker A: They hacked, when all that was sown.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: Has borne fruit, we can see how lost, how drugged were those conceited youths.
[00:12:52] Speaker C: Who sought, through terror, bloody uprising and civil war, to make the country just and content.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: No, thank you.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: Fathers of the Enlightenment, we now know.
[00:13:04] Speaker B: That the vileness of the means begets the vileness of the result. Let our hands be clean.
So has the circle closed. So is there indeed no way out?
[00:13:16] Speaker C: So the only thing left to do is wait inertly?
[00:13:20] Speaker B: What if something just happens by itself?
But it will never come unstuck by itself if we all, every day continue to acknowledge, glorify, and strengthen it, if.
[00:13:33] Speaker C: We do not, at the least, recoil from its most vulnerable point, from lies.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: When violence births onto the peaceful human.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: Condition, its face is flush with self assurance.
[00:13:48] Speaker C: It displays on its banner and proclaims, I am violence.
[00:13:52] Speaker B: Make way. Step aside. I will crush you. But violence ages swiftly.
[00:13:58] Speaker A: A few years pass, and it is no longer sure of itself to prop.
[00:14:03] Speaker C: Itself up to appear decent.
[00:14:05] Speaker B: It will, without fail, call forth its ally, lies. For violence has nothing to cover itself with but lies.
[00:14:13] Speaker A: And lies can only persist through violence.
[00:14:16] Speaker C: And it is not every day, and.
[00:14:18] Speaker B: Not on every shoulder, that violence brings.
[00:14:21] Speaker A: Down its heavy hand. It demands of us only a submission.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: To lies, a daily participation in deceit.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: And this suffices as our fealty, and.
[00:14:33] Speaker C: Therein we find neglected by us the.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: Simplest, the most accessible key to our.
[00:14:38] Speaker B: Liberation, a personal non participation in lies.
[00:14:44] Speaker C: Even if all is covered by lies.
[00:14:46] Speaker B: Even if all is under their rule, let us resist in the smallest way. Let their rule hold not through me.
[00:14:55] Speaker C: And this is the way to break.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: Out of the imaginary encirclement of our.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: Inertness, the easiest way for us and.
[00:15:03] Speaker C: The most devastating for the lies.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: For when people renounce lies, lies simply cease to exist.
[00:15:11] Speaker B: Like parasites, they can only survive when.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: Attached to a person.
[00:15:16] Speaker B: We are not called upon to step.
[00:15:18] Speaker C: Out onto the square and shout out.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: The truth, to say out loud what we think.
[00:15:22] Speaker C: This is scary.
[00:15:24] Speaker A: We are not ready. But let us at least refuse to.
[00:15:28] Speaker B: Say what we do not think. This is the way, then, the easiest and most accessible for us, given our.
[00:15:34] Speaker C: Deep seated organic cowardice.
[00:15:37] Speaker B: Much easier than it's scary to even.
[00:15:39] Speaker C: Utter the words civil disobedience. Allah, Gandhi Our way must be never knowingly support lies.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: Having understood where the lies begin, and.
[00:15:52] Speaker A: Many see this line differently, step back.
[00:15:54] Speaker C: From that gangrenous edge.
[00:15:56] Speaker B: Let us not glue back the flaking.
[00:15:59] Speaker C: Scales of the ideology, not gather back.
[00:16:02] Speaker B: Its crumbling bones, nor patch together its decomposing garb. We will be amazed how swiftly and.
[00:16:09] Speaker C: Helplessly the lies will fall away and.
[00:16:12] Speaker A: That which is destined to be naked will be exposed as such to the.
[00:16:16] Speaker C: World and thus overcoming our temerity.
[00:16:20] Speaker A: Let each man choose.
[00:16:21] Speaker C: Will he remain a witting servant of the lies?
[00:16:24] Speaker B: Needless to say, not due to natural predisposition but in order to provide a living for the family, to rear the children in the spirit of lies?
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Or has the time come for him.
[00:16:34] Speaker B: To stand straight as an honest man.
[00:16:37] Speaker C: Worthy of the respect of his children and contemporaries?
[00:16:40] Speaker A: And from that day onward, he will not write, sign, nor publish in any way a single line distorting so far.
[00:16:48] Speaker C: As he can see, the truth.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: He will not utter such a line.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: In private or in public conversation, nor.
[00:16:55] Speaker C: Read it from a crib sheet, nor.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: Speak it in the role of educator, canvasser, teacher, actor?
[00:17:01] Speaker C: He will not, in painting, sculpture, photograph, technology, or music, depict, support, or broadcast.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: A single false thought, a single distortion.
[00:17:10] Speaker A: Of the truth as he discerns it.
[00:17:13] Speaker B: He will not cite in writing or.
[00:17:15] Speaker C: In speech a single guiding quote for.
[00:17:18] Speaker B: Gratification, insurance for his success at work.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: Unless he fully shares the sighted thought and believes that it fits the context precisely.
[00:17:28] Speaker B: He will not be forced to a demonstration or a rally if it runs counter to his desire and his will.
[00:17:35] Speaker C: He will not take up and raise.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: A banner or slogan in which he does not fully believe.
[00:17:42] Speaker B: He will not raise a hand and.
[00:17:44] Speaker C: Vote for a proposal which he does not sincerely support.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: He will not vote openly or in secret ballot for a candidate whom he.
[00:17:51] Speaker A: Deems dubious or unworthy. He will not be impelled to a.
[00:17:56] Speaker B: Meeting where a forced and distorted discussion.
[00:17:59] Speaker A: Is expected to take place.
[00:18:01] Speaker B: He will at once walk out from.
[00:18:03] Speaker C: A session meeting, lecture, play or film. As soon as he hears the speaker.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: Utter a lie, ideological drivel or shameless propaganda.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: He will not subscribe to nor buy in retail a newspaper or journal that distorts or hides the underlying facts.
[00:18:21] Speaker A: This is by no means an exhaustive.
[00:18:23] Speaker C: List of the possible and necessary ways of evading lies.
[00:18:26] Speaker B: But he who begins to cleanse himself will, with a cleansed eye, easily discern yet other opportunities. Yes, at first it will not be fair. Someone will have to temporarily lose his job.
[00:18:40] Speaker A: For the young who seek to live.
[00:18:42] Speaker C: By truth, this will at first severely.
[00:18:45] Speaker B: Complicate life, for their tests and quizzes.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: Too, are stuffed with lies.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: And so choices will have to be made. But there is no loophole left for.
[00:18:54] Speaker A: Anyone who seeks to be honest, not.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: Even for a day, not even the safest technical occupations, can he avoid even a single one of the listed choices to be made in favor of either.
[00:19:07] Speaker C: Truth or lies, in favor of spiritual.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: Independence or spiritual civility.
[00:19:13] Speaker C: And as for him who lacks the.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: Courage to defend even his own soul.
[00:19:18] Speaker C: Let him not brag of his progressive.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: Views or boast of his status as.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: An academic or a recognized artist, a.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: Distinguished citizen or general.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: Let him say to himself plainly, I am cattle.
[00:19:31] Speaker A: I am a coward. I seek only warmth and to eat my fill.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: For us who have grown, stayed over time, even this most moderate path of.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Resistance will not be easy to set out upon.
[00:19:45] Speaker C: But how much easier it is than.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Self immolation or even a hunger strike.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: Flames will not engulf your body, your.
[00:19:53] Speaker A: Eyes will not pop out from the.
[00:19:55] Speaker B: Heat, and your family will always have.
[00:19:57] Speaker C: At least a piece of black bread.
[00:19:59] Speaker A: To wash down with a glass of clear water.
[00:20:02] Speaker B: Betrayed and deceived by us, did not a great European people, the Czechoslovaks, show us how one can stand down the tanks with bared chest alone, as long as inside it beats a worthy heart.
It will not be an easy path, perhaps, but it is the easiest among.
[00:20:21] Speaker A: Those that lie before us. Not an easy choice for the body, but the only one for the soul.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: No, not an easy path.
[00:20:29] Speaker C: But then we already have among us.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: People, dozens even, who have for years.
[00:20:33] Speaker A: Abided by these rules, who live by the truth. And so we need not be the.
[00:20:40] Speaker C: First to set out on this path.
[00:20:42] Speaker B: Ours is but to join the more.
[00:20:44] Speaker A: Of us, set out together the thicker.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Our ranks, the easier and shorter will.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: This path be for us all.
[00:20:50] Speaker C: If we become thousands, they will not cope. They will be unable to touch us.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: If we will grow to tens of thousands, we will not recognize our country.
[00:21:01] Speaker A: But if we shrink away, then let.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: Us cease complaining that someone does not.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: Let us draw breath.
[00:21:07] Speaker B: We do it to ourselves.
Let us then cower and hunker down.
[00:21:11] Speaker A: While our comrades, the biologists, bring closer.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: The day when our thoughts can be.
[00:21:16] Speaker C: Read and our genes altered.
[00:21:19] Speaker B: And if from this also we shrink away, then we are worthless, hopeless. And it is of us that Pushkin.
[00:21:26] Speaker C: Asks with scorn, why offer herds their.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: Liberation, their heritage, each generation, the yoke with jingles and the whip, Alexander Salts and Eatzen February 12, 1974 so there you go.
[00:21:45] Speaker A: Live not by lies profoundly, profoundly important essay. And I guess the challenge for all of us now is to well, as the Christian Scriptures would say, let him who has ears listen, and then to.
[00:22:00] Speaker B: Implement in whatever way we can in our own lives this refusal to actually.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: Live the lies, that most important line.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: In there, that we should never let.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: The ideological lie, the ideological regime, live through us. Others may make different choices, but we all have the choice to say, well, even if I can't speak up publicly, even if I can't speak up out.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: Loud, the lie will not live through me.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: My heart, my mind, my soul, my.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: Family, home, my business, the way I.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: Conduct myself, the way I treat people.
[00:22:34] Speaker B: Will not be guided by the lies, but by the truth. Thanks for tuning in. I hope you've really enjoyed this episode. Don't forget, if you want an extra episode of the podcast every single week, become a
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[00:22:51] Speaker B: Don't forget, live by goodness, truth and beauty, not by lies, and I will.
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