Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign welcome to Dispatches with Dewa, the monthly episode of the Dispatchers podcast where we talk with political commentator Dewa Debord about exactly what is going on in the world of New Zealand politics. And we discuss and dissect everything that's trending globally as well. Deewa Debord is a political commentator who runs conservative think tank Right Minds New Zealand. He also writes a column for the BFD and he has a Friday morning radio show on Reality Check Radio. He advocates for a return to tradition, is optimistic about the future, and he lives in Auckland with his wife and their three kids. So without any further ado, let's get into this episode of Dispatches with Dewa.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: You can outrun the devil, but you ain't gonna outrun me.
[00:01:06] Speaker A: Dewa, how are you? Welcome back for the very final episodes of Dispatches with Dewa for 2024. How are you, my friend?
[00:01:14] Speaker B: I'm doing very, very well, thank you. And what a year it has been. It's. I think we picked a very good year to start doing these podcasts.
[00:01:24] Speaker A: We really did, didn't we? It's quite.
I was actually thinking about these episodes, prepping for them and I. There has been so, so much that has gone on in the last 12 months. It's actually, it feels like it's been a couple of years.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: It does certainly feel a bit like that. And was, it was a communist, I think Lenin who said, who said this about politics. Some, some weeks where years happen and some years where nothing happens. Something, something along those lines.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: Something, something take all the stuff off.
[00:01:56] Speaker B: The people in between, in between all of that, in between all the communist stuff. Yeah, one or two memorable quotes in there.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: In between the gulags there was some great political commentary.
So yeah, it's been amazing. The year is winding up. We are now just days away from Christmas and the content is still coming. For those who are tuning in and this is the free to air episode and you want to hear both parts, then make sure you go and become a five dollar monthly patron at patreon.com forward/left footmedia. The link is in the show notes. I will also post another link because you can actually gift subscriptions to the Dispatchers podcast. So if you're looking for a gift for that hard to buy for person, this could be a great idea. Go and buy them a subscription to the Dispatchers for a year and if.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: You'Re, if you're panicking, you know it's Friday or it's Monday and you haven't bought those gifts yet now's your chance.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: A lot of wives are going to get dispatches subscriptions this year. But yeah, so there's a link in the show notes for all of that. And also don't forget, if you're listening, listening to this and it's Friday, the very first episode of Whiskey and Wisdom, the live stream video podcast show in person is going to be happening tonight. So the very first episode will be live at 8pm on all of the various channels. So keep an eye out for that and you'll be able to watch the replay as well if you missed the live stream. But that's kicking off tonight too. Deewa, let's start by talking about you. You have, I was going to say you've been in the news of sorts, but I was going to that's not really quite true. But you've been on Twitter. That's that's better than the news these days. And the good news is that you had the police come visit you a couple of years ago and create a bit of an issue for you and your family. And that got a bit of attention, a bit of public attention at the time. But there's been a really positive development in the last week or two. So could you just let us know a little bit about that story and what's happened?
[00:03:53] Speaker B: It's a story that started five years ago. It was early in January 2020 and came home from work, went out. Yeah, I'd come home from work, had come home a little bit early, serving dinner with the kids. We just had a six week old baby in the house, young baby, our youngest and Amy wasn't feeling well. She was in bed. And then I got a knock on the door and I opened the door and there were half a dozen armed police officers with a warrant to search my house for illegal firearms.
And it was all a bit of a blur after that. But the they went through the house, no illegal firearms. I didn't have any illegal firearms, hadn't broken any laws, turned the house upside down.
They had about a dozen of them come through all up. I mean we had police run around the side of the house in the back or all of that police stuff like they do in the TV show. Yeah. And then didn't find anything. Sort of off they went. And I wrote about it at the time and this had to do with, you know, them, this the legislation that just the Jacinda Dun government had passed in 2019 and they had basically made a whole bunch of firearms illegal or you had to modify them. And there are Various other concerns there. I had objected to the legislation as well. So I've been quite a vocal opponent of it. And in particular I had pointed out that, say, lever action rifles with tube magazines,22 caliber, you know, small, very small bore rifles that, you know, use, you know, sort of replicas of the gun that won the west, sort of the cowboy guns from the 1800s. The body and all of this had been swept up in Jacinda's legislation.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:38] Speaker B: And to cut the long story short, you know, I did. Did oias. So on the police wouldn't give me any information. Open investigation they cited. So put together a legal team, put together a case and sued the police, civil case, sued them for trespass, for unreasonable search, basically breach of the Bill of Rights and various other clauses as well that we thought we should have gotten, that we should have won on. In the end, after five years, we won on that particular clause that the search should be unreasonable, the warrant should never have been issued. Was various political information that they had left out of the warrant when they applied for it. A little bit of a weasely way out in, in a sense, but it was a win for us. The warrant was overturned. That's what we set out to do.
But in the end, the things that we didn't get on was basically being able to prove that the police were malicious or getting the courts to rule a judgment that the police had been particularly malicious, that they had gone after me on purpose and that, you know, there had been some, some political motivation there and to get various costs and damages. Unfortunately, very, very difficult to get. But we did get that, that primary thing that we sought, which was to have the warrant overturned and say the police had acted unlawfully in raiding my house.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: Well, that is a really positive development and it's quite astounding really, when you think about it. I can understand why they probably ruled the way they did in this latest ruling, because I'd imagine it's quite a high bar to actually prove malicious intent.
Instead, they could always use the defense. Oh, we thought we were acting for public safety or whatever, we. We were just misinformed. But it's. It seems to me that, yeah, I mean, you weren't targeted. Right.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: When you put, when you put all the evidence together for me and for people I show the evidence to, it's very easy to draw an inference to say, yeah, okay, something was going on there behind the scenes. But of course, the judges less likely to do that, especially if it's against the police. And as they, they keep saying to Us, the first of the lower courts are very permissive towards the police. So we ended up having to appeal this case because of the initial ruling. The first ruling we got was basically, yeah, the police followed their procedures so there was nothing wrong.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:55] Speaker B: So of course the police follow their procedures. They get to make them up, you know, like what?
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Well, the question is not did they follow their procedures, the question is, should they have enacted those procedures in the first place?
[00:08:05] Speaker B: Right, exactly, yeah. So it's very difficult. And we were told numerous times, basically, oh, hey, look, there's firearms involved. And you know, if it had been drugs. Yeah, sure. Like if, basically if I'd been, been making illegal drugs in my house and then the police had put in a warrant with the so called evidence that they had, they didn't have any at all. Of course, various bits of speculation, it would have been instantly tossed out. Even if I'd been making the drugs, I would have won the case, no problem. Like really quick off the bat, but because it's firearms, then suddenly the courts behave differently and hopefully that's something that, that can be changed with this current government is that they can reform the Arms act, hopefully reform the policing. I'll be Talking to some MPs in the coming year as some of these things are being reviewed and I'll be talking my story, you know, telling them my story and seeing if we can actually make some improvements in the political system and as well in the way that the costs can be awarded. Because, you know, this still cost me a lot of my time, a little bit of money in the end, I think I'll probably be down just a little bit of money when it's all, you know, whenever the dust is settled.
[00:09:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: And if you, you know, I'd managed to do this very, very smoothly and had a lot of help. And yeah, if you're, if you're just a normal person, it becomes very, very difficult to get justice. When the government does something wrong and the government violates your rights, then at the end of the day you basically have to have to go through a punishing process to get justice and still be punished even when the government is wrong. And we want to get that. I mean, that really should be fixed in New Zealand. It should be far easier for people to go, you know, take cases against the government and that if they win, then the government should be punished more harshly than somebody else because of course, it's the government.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And it disincentivises this kind of behaviour, errant behaviour in future. Did you get an explanation initially as to why they were knocking on the door. Obviously it's all been invalidated now. It should have never happened. But what was their initial reasoning when they come knocking?
[00:10:03] Speaker B: So the they, this whole thing started with a, a sort of so called anonymous tip off that they basically an email from a far left extremist saying, hey, I know this extreme far right, alt right individual, all kinds of defamatory material in this email, yeah, blah, blah, blah. Can you go and check up on him? I don't think he's going to follow the law. And so on. So they took that and there was a post that I had made on Facebook at the time asking people to submit to the, you know, I'd been explaining the legislation, saying how outraged I was. Then in the comments I added and saying, you know, please submit to the, to the, to the Parliamentary Select Committees a couple days until it closes. You've got like 48 hours or 24 hours and, and you know, this was selectively cropped as well by, by this person and then it was used by the police. And they then went, and this is of course where the dodgy stuff begins. So this happened several months after I'd made this particular post, three or four months after I made the particular post, then three or four months later, again, because this happened in November at the latest. I believe it was very early In November, like 1st of November, 5th of November, very early on. And then you get months later, the police in January, like in their Christmas holiday. Apparently someone's going through old emails in, you know, somewhere in the police and decides, oh, we're going to action this email now and early on in January and use that as evidence, use as a basis of investigating. And then they took, they went through my website, they went through Cameron Slater's website, they went through my Facebook profile, there's some screenshots of like comments between David Seymour and myself in there even. And went through my Facebook group and put all these screenshots together and basically said, you know, yeah, this person is dissatisfied with this legislation that's been passed and so we think that he's not going to comply with it, which of course is an insane incentive.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: So basically at that point, that is pre crime. That's really what that is because you haven't broken any law and you haven't even said you haven't expressed any intent to break the law either. You're just unhappy with the outcome of a political process. And so they've said, well, we're going to find you guilty before you've actually done anything.
[00:12:16] Speaker B: Yep. Well, that's exactly what happened there. And the only thing they attempted to do is basically look inside their database. I said, well, we have no record of this guy under, you know, coming to a police buyback. Obviously that wasn't something I had to do with this particular firearm. Yeah. And they said, oh, well, there's no record. He put this into the buyback. And so we think that, you know, that, that he hasn't done anything at all with it. Which again, that was one of like five different options that this is something I tried to try to put in the case to say, well, I could have done anything with it. But it's very interesting. So the police defense was basically, oh, no, we don't have to do that kind of research. You know, we don't have to pick up the phone and call someone and say, hey, you know, we, we've got, so, you know, can we, we've got a question about this particular item or firearm or what you may have done. Can you tell us what's happened to it?
Now, apparently police don't have to do any of that. They can just jump straight, they can jump straight to like, okay, we're going to get a warrant and send armed police to your house.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Assume the worst right off the bat. That's quite astounding, isn't it? Absolutely astounding. And you can see also there is an element of like a, a mob based sort of panic and paranoia coming on the back of the mosque shooting as well. All of a sudden.
It's very interesting because people, probably some of the same people who talk about profiling and how bad it is in this case, you probably ticked a few boxes in their mind. He's white, he's of a conservative bent, you know, he's a licensed firearm owner. Tick, tick, tick, you know, profile, right?
[00:13:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. They were, they had been embarrassed, of course, the police had been very, very much embarrassed by the whole situation and they were hoping to undo some of that embarrassment. And of course, instead they got a little bit more. They did a little bit more damage to themselves and their reputation in the end as well, but, you know, at my expense.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: Good on you for fighting the good fight, though. Five years, man. But obviously finally the rule of law won out and the courts have said, hey, no, this wasn't legit. Speaking of the courts and things that aren't so legit, we've had this story that has been in the media in the last couple of days. It's not quite as big as I think it should be. It's sort of just sort of slid into the media pages and there's been a little bit of an update I saw tonight as well. But we've got this situation that's happened where Winston Peters and the members of the New Zealand First Party, I think they were out for their Christmas party, weren't they? It was a club.
[00:14:37] Speaker B: Correct. It was an end of year function in New Zealand first and. And there happened to be a function next door for the New Zealand judiciary.
[00:14:43] Speaker A: Class of the clash of the functions and a district court judge and her. Is he a celebrity or reality TV star partner? He's relevant but the. She turns up and starts harassing Winston Peters, won't let him leave and is actually abusing him over politics. And then you've got a KC as well who is taking photographs even though he's been asked to stop doing this. And you're not even allowed to do this in the Auckland club, take photos. And the kc, this King's Council was taking photographs of the mem, the people who were there at the New Zealand first dinner, which is kind of actually rather suspicious and kind of ominous actually. To have someone do that to you is quite a threatening thing to do. It's a menacing thing. And so yeah, now there's a bit of trouble going on. The update is. And I want to ask you what you think should happen to these particular legal professionals, including this judge in this kc. But there's been a bit of an update. Apparently the judge. There is going to be a hearing and there's going to be. Yeah, she's going to go before a board I guess and there will be an outcome of some sorts. But what do you think should happen as a result of this?
[00:15:54] Speaker B: I think the judge should be impeached, should be removed from the bench.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: In fact I think she should have just resigned the next day.
[00:16:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: After she'd sobered up.
[00:16:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Because she was drunk, wasn't she?
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Oh yeah, she was. They were, they were. I think all three of the people involved, they were plastered. I think there was a doctor involved there as well.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right.
[00:16:12] Speaker B: And yeah, that this is, this is career ending obviously and this is, this is a massive issue because it is a member of the judiciary and a member of Parliament in particular a member of cabinet, so a member of the executive and there's a separation there between the judiciary and the legislature, between the judiciary and the executive in particular in this case. And to have a judge going out and making overt political statements to A politician is simply something you can't have in a functioning society that undermines the entire rule of law. And it's something that in this particular case obviously throws her judgment in any case that she might rule on into disrepute because you know that she's highly politically opinionated and willing to go and in this particular case go and harass and threaten people over.
[00:17:13] Speaker A: Well, there's so much tied up in this. Right. You've got this absolutely shocking lack of judgment. The conduct itself is totally unbecoming of someone who's supposed to represent the. And carry out the rule of law and officiate it in this country.
And then on top of that there's the public drunkenness. There's a real lack of character. It's quite astounding really. I can't see how. Well, I guess I can when you think about that list. Actually you're right. Why didn't she resign the next day?
There's a lack of character in all of this that's actually quite serious really. A judge has to be like, I know someone who's a judge, actually he's in our church, very long standing judge. And yeah, he's a man of real sort of politeness and decorum and you know, in every setting he really is someone who takes that role quite seriously and is a man of character.
[00:18:04] Speaker B: It's very, very important for judges to be seen in that way and to behave in that way. And this is say, completely disqualifying just on that behavior. And I was just remembering a friend of mine who's in the legal profession as well mention that, that there's a principle here at play known as committee, which is basically kind of the, the, the principle of practice that you would have in the way that you deal in, in a civil manner between the different departments, as I was referring in terms of the separation of powers. So there has to be politeness between them. And Shane Jones was in fact required to apologize recently basically over that issue because he had called the judges Marxists and communists. Turns out he was right.
But he was made to apologize because again. Right. There's, there's, there needs to be that civil discourse, civil public discourse between the, the different branches of government.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And I guess the question is what should or what will happen to this kc?
I guess you can be unkc'd. I don't know. I guess that can, that title can be removed in that honor. Can be removed.
[00:19:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And because in the case of something like a kc, you're the king's council.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: You're representing the government and so you should have some respect towards the government, whoever may be in charge.
[00:19:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:34] Speaker B: How can you be representing the government if you're openly hostile towards members of the government?
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Well, and it's also really with the fact that you are a king's counsel, you are a type of ambassador for King Charles as well. It's almost like the king was in the room there doing this. That's how serious this is in some ways.
You know, you could argue that possibly a KC doing what he's doing there is even slightly worse than just a district court judge because of the actual office that he holds, in a sense in this case. But they both did something that was just. Yeah. Gosh. Unbelievable. Really. And I guess it's a sign of the times, right?
[00:20:09] Speaker B: It does. I mean, it speaks to the complete disconnect of these elites. Right. Because that's what they are. These are, these are the elites of society. The people who are supposed to have some, some care for the, for the general population and the people. And of course, the people voted for this particular government. The people voted for the things that the government is doing.
[00:20:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: And then of course you have these elites who are very openly hostile to the will of the people.
And that's the, and that's just the situation that we're in as, in a society as a whole. Because these, because they've become so ideological. Right. The, the elites used to be far more defenders of tradition and, and, and conserving whatever, whatever it was. The, the status quo. They used to be, used to be very.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: Well, they were silent too. Right? You, you, you would, you'd hardly hear from an academic unless they're invited to, you know, outside of academic circles. They weren't all. In the media. They weren't activists or any of that kind of stuff.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: No, and it's completely changed now. As you said, activists is the right term. Right. They're all activists. All of these elites are activists. So instead of being above the idea, the art, above the ideology, above the politics, they're now forming the, the base ranks. They're the vanguard of the ideology, the vanguard of the political. Political movement.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: Right. Speaking of political movement and political updates, we're going to talk about the brand new abortion data for New Zealand. Truly shocking stuff that has just dropped in the last couple of days. Before we do that, though, don't forget, folks, if you want to hear part two of our conversation, and in part two, we're going to be talking about all sorts of interesting issues we're going to be talking about the drones are the aliens invading us via the usa. Joe Biden punter. Sorry, punter. He pardons Hunter Biden and a record number of clemencies about a week later are given out. I don't know where this man's going to stop. Everyone in America will have a perpetual pardon before he leaves office. James Lindsay and the Woke Right, what the heck is going on in Romania? And maybe if we get time, what are our highlights and lowlights of the year that has just been? If you want to get access to that, become a five dollar monthly patron at patreon.com leftfootmedia the link is in the show notes. And don't forget you can gift subscriptions as well gift an annual subscription. I'll post a link for that to that hard to buy for person this Christmas and you will be either really well liked or really well loathed by the end of the year, depending on how they take the views expressed from this here mouth okay Dewa, let's talk about the abortion report and basically some really shocking stuff. Not surprising to those who understand this issue. But in a nutshell, on the back of two things, the introduction of the Extreme Abortion Legislation Act 2020 which was introduced at the start of 2020. It was a personal pet project of Jacinda Ardern's. Ironically, the only thing that she actually really succeeded at was also the worst thing for the country as far as outcomes go. And on the back of that, plus what came off the back of the law being passed was the implementation of an 0800 number to dial a DIY abortion. You could call for a medical early medical abortion which is the two stage pill and they will send it to you and you carry out your own abortion. And on the back of those two things, we're now looking at a 14.9% increase in abortions last year alone. So it went from 14,000 to over 16,000. We are also looking at now since the passing of the Abortion legislation Act, a 23% increase in abortions. Last year, late term abortions increased again from 104 to 174. Basically since the passing of the legislation we've had a 67% increase in late term abortions. That's 20 weeks and beyond. And if maybe you're someone who's thinking solely about this from the pro abortion choice feminist perspective, you should also be extremely upset here because what's happened now in the last couple of years since the passing of this act is that the number of women who have had adverse effects from their abortions has almost doubled. In 2021 it was 1.3% of all abortions were adverse effects or they caused adverse effects to the woman who had them last year, 2.2%. And when you look at the data it's very clear it's coming from the abortion pill which carries far greater risks. And I guess one of the big shocking things in all this is that we've got to a point now and this is quite a dramatic increase. 60.7% of the people who had abortions in the latest report, the latest annual data, they were using abortion as a quote, unquote contraceptive. They had no contraception, they had sex. They produced a new human being which is a beautiful and wonderful part of the sexual act. They obviously didn't want that and so they used abortion as the contraceptive 60.7% of cases. I don't think it's ever been that high in New Zealand that particular stat. Dewa, just your general thoughts before I ask you perhaps a little bit of a specific question.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Well, there was also a whistleblower case interviewed on Reality Chick radio a few weeks ago as a woman who witnessed babies being born alive after botched abortions or I should say successful abortions.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: And these babies were left to die for hours and hours and they weren't allowed to, to do anything and help them and assist them. This woman was interviewed by Rodney Hyde and I definitely would recommend going to. Yeah, great interview listening to that.
And I was just thinking about these numbers. They reminded me in conjunction with the having the warrant invalidated against me in 2023 or four days before they were, the police raided my house maybe only two days before they raided my house I had published a, an article on my website about abortion. I said another and the titles another 13, 000 babies will be murdered this year. That's what it was in 2020 as you were saying in your numbers. And I went through some of the points that Laura Classen had made. She'd made a bunch of anti abortion videos. Yeah, that family first published and she, she posted about how, you know, the previous year changed how she viewed abortion and I talked about her sentiments and how I agreed with those at the time and, and that abortion should be completely abolished. And yeah, that was something that struck me at the time as well was the fact that I got, you know, the government came after me like two, three days after posting that and then obviously we had that abortion legislation later on in the year and yeah, just Such, such a terrible state that we're in as a, as a country, you know, by far the worst thing that's happening. And yet it's the thing that doesn't really affect people themselves very much. Right. So it becomes a very difficult issue to fix because politically people don't care about it. And it's very hard to get people to care about it because it doesn't affect their lives, doesn't affect their wallet.
[00:27:17] Speaker A: We're becoming calloused, right? I think is a fear description.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah, we definitely were becoming calloused as well. But purely from a practical benefits or a point of human nature that it basically, when it comes to democracy and politics and people participating in politics, it's, it's not something that drives people because of how disconnected they are from it. Yeah. Unfortunately the case and things, as you say, have gotten, gotten terrible there. And the current government, of course, is perfectly happy with the legislation. It's one of these cases of the ratchet being applied where a Labor government will push us further into the abyss. And then of course, the national government comes along in particular, Christopher Luxon, who basically promised, you know, he swore on his soul to defend this particular law and that he would resign rather than see it changed or repealed. Basically, that's the situation that we're in.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: It's quite shocking really, when you think about that. You're right, it's. And it's crazy where we're at. Like we've got to the point now where we actually have pro lifers being arrested in this country. That is happening here. It's like you're not even allowed to talk about it. And one of the most shocking things for me is I did a podcast episode that some of you may be aware of, a free to air episode actually, earlier today on Thursday, we're pre recording this episode. And one of the shocking things for me is that the Director General of Health, she has a one page introduction where she says she's quite happy and pleased for how things are progressing. And you look at this and you think, man, they really don't want to admit that they've made a mess of this. And the media, the media are nowhere to be seen. So far I haven't seen any coverage of this.
[00:28:58] Speaker B: No. Well, for them this is, this is a good thing. I think you need to understand that. So you know, you said, oh, they've made a mess of things. Yes, that's, that's true that they've made a mess of things. But from, from their intentions. Yeah, it's not A mess from their intentions. This is going exactly how they want them together.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, that citizen, as you were speaking, I was hearing the Emperor Palpatine. From a certain perspective, it's true.
[00:29:21] Speaker B: You know, I did want to say from a certain perspective, but then I realized, no, no, it's not about a certain perspective. It's like what you've said. What you have said is not a perspective. It's true.
[00:29:28] Speaker A: That's right. It's truth. And that's it. That's exactly it. And you know what else is pretty clear now in this, when you look at the data, they're really trying to push abortion into the Mori community. That's very clearly stated in this report. Actually, they make this about, you know, we still need more of this in the Mori community. More equitable access. They talk about.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: That's right. That's the term equity.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Equity. Everyone gets dead babies, everyone gets no future.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: You know, and that's the, that's exactly the, the point of progressivism in everything that it tries to achieve is this equity. Right. They're bringing the tearing down the destruction. Equity always involves a lowering. Yeah, it always involves the destruction. At least when it's applied in a political way as we see it done. And of course, yes, in, in South Auckland, Pacific, Pacific island communities mostly. And there has always been opposition to abortion. There are no abortion clinics south of Green Lane. That's what I think. I believe that's the situation. So you sort of got the middle of the city and all the abortion clinics were from the middle up and they wouldn't put any down. And there's big pushes to get that into South Auckland. They may have succeeded recently. I'm not sure. Unfortunately I have, I've just been too busy and being out of touch of what's gone on there. But certainly, obviously their, their goal is ever expanding that you know, that well, have any, any places where that. That's what the abortion used to murder babies.
[00:30:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's what the abortion pill and the 0800 number, the dial a number dial and abortion, sorry number is exactly all about.
[00:30:53] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, because then it's no longer. Okay, there's a particular place where it had happens and that people can go there. And as, as you've mentioned, obviously they have these safe zones now. It's basically illegal to protest or illegal to try and give advice or to discourage people.
And, and as you, as you said, they've, they've worked around that. Basically it's all just send it to people's homes.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's quite shocking when you think about the fact that this really is. I did a radio interview this morning where I talked about this. This really is, from my perspective this is just the return of backstreet abortions which apparently they said we weren't supposed to be doing but now they're quite happy to facilitate them. And on top of that when you look at the report, there's a section in there about where they look at the socio economics of it all and well it's quite clear if you are again a bean counting managerial bureaucrat, there is a cost saving here. A child that dies in one of these homes is a child that does not require welfare support from the state. They don't require all the other economic investments that are becoming more and more burdensome because we haven't managed our society and our culture well as a people. So yeah, it's shocking all around, eh?
[00:32:02] Speaker B: I know my particular angle on this is always sort of the politics, what do we do to fix it. But I think I mentioned this a few months ago where I sort of said well I don't, I feel like I don't really have a political solution anymore. I feel like I don't know, I don't know what to do there at, at this point. I just don't know. Especially in New Zealand now that you know, not enough interest in it, not enough numbers to make any particular change.
The, the actual, most of the protesting is basically illegal. You'll just be buried in, in court work for the rest of your life. Very, very difficult to talk about. Well, where do we take this? It has to be a much more fundamental change in our political system in, in the way things are going maybe from a completely different angle. You know, we have to fix, maybe we have to just have to fix some other problems first and, and then we will have the opportunity to deal with this. But it just very difficult for me to sort of theorize about it in my, in my head and come up with strategy. This just unfortunately on that in this particular issue I'm quite demoralized. Whereas on other issues I'm very positive I can see a way forward. On this issue, unfortunately I don't.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I've been saying for actually probably two solid decades now that we have rung certain bells that do not get easily unrung and they were rung several decades ago, that's the reality of it. And unfortunately we are now sort of reaping the whirlwind and will continue to. And you're right, I think it's gotta be a solution beyond politics. People have just gotta get brave and get courageous and have the conversations and be willing to actually engage. That's the only way. I think we're actually going to see some sort of shift in anything in the right direction, but it's certainly right.
It's one of those moments where you are not standing with a large crew of popular supporters when you speak up for the unborn. It's a very challenging sort of thing to do. Dewa, we have come to the end of this episode. I promised you end of the year. We're gonna stick to 30 minutes and we are just over our 30 minute mark now so we're gonna wrap this up folks. If you want to hear part two, become a patron patreon.com leftfootmedia the link is in today's show notes. And don't forget that tonight if you're listening to this on Friday we're going to be launching our very first episode of Whiskey and Wisdom, our brand new live stream show. Myself and my co host Dean myzczewski and a third cheer guest and we'll be in person. And our third cheer guest tonight is Dr. Robert Lorettes. We're going to be talking about all sorts of stuff, Christmasy and enjoying a whisky together. So it'll be a lot of fun. So make sure you tune in Dewa, tell everyone in the meantime who is not a patron where they can follow your work and how they can catch up on all your insightful commentary over the Christmas break.
[00:34:42] Speaker B: If I do any insightful commentary over the next few weeks, I might go on take a little break myself. But who knows, I might end up. Sometimes I go on a holiday, I'm like I need a holiday. And then I get all kinds of crazy ideas because I know that feeling. My brain doesn't ever really stop working so. But anyway, you'd find probably mostly on Elon Musk's Platform X and on Telegram you find me at rightmindsnz Door. You'll you'll have no trouble getting me there at rightminds NZ as well for my website and all of my writing that I do. And there's of course I'll be back on Reality Check Radio next year. Don't have a fixed time for that yet but there's some big changes happening behind the scenes. I'm definitely coming back next year so don't worry about that. That so so keep following me there and of course we'll be back on the Dispatches next year as well. And good oil news is the other one where I write columns for us every Saturday morning. Almost every Saturday morning I write a column for Good Oil News.
[00:35:41] Speaker A: Dewa, thank you so much. Thank you for all of your kind and gracious commitment to the podcast this year, to you and your family, and to anybody else who I don't see beforehand. Me. Merry Christmas, Felice Navi Duh. However you say it, wherever you are, to you and your loved ones, don't forget the reason for the season is the birth of Christ, not the big fat presence under the tree or the big fat red man. He's just a rip off of the real Saint Nicholas. Go and Google that if you're not sure who he is. In the meantime, Dewi, you and I are going to say goodbye to everyone but our patrons. We're going behind the paywall. If you want to join us, folks, become a $5 monthly patron. Otherwise, we will see you next year on Dispatches with Dewa.
[00:36:20] Speaker B: Thank you very much for listening in the past year and I look forward to seeing you all again in the new year.
